CommutAir Flight 4933 (operating as United Express Flight 4933) was a domestic regional flight operating from Newark, New Jersey, to Presque Isle, Maine, in the United States. The broadcast contained a halftime report of game 6 of an NBA playoff series between Golden State and Memphis. NTSB/AAR-17-02 - Collision with Terrain Promech Air, Inc. de Havilland DHC-3, N270PA; Ketchikan, Alaska; June 25, 2015. Contrary to early reports, they missed the runway entirely. 189k members in the flying community. The NTSB released their findings in July of 2022. Contradicting the report that the plane landed on the runway and then skidded off, he said, that the actual landing, if you want to call it that, completely missed the runway. On Jul 8th 2022 the NTSB released their factual report reporting amongst other details: On March 2, 2019 (2 days before the accident), the flight crew of . So this guy gets hired and a couple of months later drives his caravan into the side of a hill, taking a passenger and copilot with him. Anyone got any suggestions? The Daigles are parents to a 4 1 /2 year old son. You must log in or register to reply here. I have started a talk page discussion about possibly revising the naming conventions to clearly address regional-brand flights. The "issues" she speaks of was that she lied about hours and qualifications and it went beyond that but I can't remember the specifics. United/CommutAir 4933 had departed from Newark, New Jersey, and was scheduled to land at Presque Isle at 10:49 a.m., but instead arrived about 45 minutes behind schedule. Just before our initial push, I became ill. No one should have to work under those conditions. Investigation Report. [1]:5. During the ensuing approach, both pilots said they saw the runway, albeit with difficulty due to snow. Lets investigate further. This incident at the airport in Presque Isle was very disturbing and frightening for the passengers and crew who were involved,. There were three minor injuries. NTSB database search results for Presque Isle, Maine. 28 pax/3 crew. But of course, you can also have all news mailed right onto your desktop, too. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. She was slightly ahead of me in seniority at C5, but then left for VX right before she could upgrade. PRESQUE ISLE, Maine A United Airlines flight from Newark to Presque Isle landed roughly on its second approach and then slid off the runway Monday as passengers screamed and some seat parts popped off, according to one occupant. This community is for discussion among pilots, students, instructors and aviation professionals. Same man, was checking about everyday for the last month or so. Pretty concerning when your livelihood is tied to things like accidents. This applies to ANY wildcat actions, including slowdown, work-to-rules, withdrawal of enthusiasm (WOE), sickouts, etc. Instead, they saw white on white and a structure with an antenna but not the runway itself. FO had sleep apnea and did not use the CPAP machine the night before, where he only got about ~ 5 hrs sleep. Why was previously published brief by the NTSB completely scrubbed from their website? He had accumulated a total of 4,909 flight hours, 470 on the Embraer EMB-145XR. The ILS was screwy bc of snow, known issue in PQI. These are the issues PRD is trying to solve. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Rick Daigle said the scene inside the airplane as it landed was one of chaos with people screaming and seat parts popping off. During the final approach, the pilots decided to do a go-around after they were unable to see the runway. They dont need to know the aircraft or the area or the SOP. CommutAir Flight 4933 (operating as United Express Flight 4933) was a domestic regional flight operating from Newark, New Jersey, to Presque Isle, Maine, in the United States. Adopted: March . This isn't surprising to me at all. Based in Mexico City, Mexico. The aircraft sustained substantial damage, as can be seen in the pictures released by the NTSB. The flying pilot should have executed to go around yet did not. X File Under: <Fuel> Circulate To: General Manager Service Manager Parts Manager Service Advisors Technicians Body Shop Manager Fleet Repair X X X X SUBJECT: GROUP MODEL FUE 2017-2019MY Niro (DE HEV) NUMBER DATE 041 August 2019 TECHNICAL SERVICE BULLETIN Biggest teller? Publicado hace 1 segundo. Do you think the history of the CA here will have any impact on contributing factors to future hiring practices? The agency said it will work closely with a federal government contractor . Accident. and our Of the 28 passengers and 4 crew members on board, four passengers and the pilot were taken to the hospital with minor injuries, said Kim Smith, Presque Isle public information officer. Back on March 4th of that year, A 50 passenger Embraer plane was attempting to land on runway 1 at the Presque Isle International Airport in light and moderate . This incident at the airport in Presque Isle was very disturbing and frightening for the passengers and crew who were involved, said Senator Collins. A pilot and two passengers received minor injuries. Airborne 02.24.23: GAMA 2022 Report, Piper News, Starship March Launch. It was a woman. That final report has been out for months. For all the latest news from the show click here! It is against the APC Forum Rules to advocate any labor action which is not authorized by the RLA/NMB. Track CommutAir (C5) #4933 flight from Houston Bush Int'ctl to Lafayette Rgnl/Paul Fournet Fld. If you have to use the proxy of your company, contact us. On the second attempt, the pilot landed off the runway between runway 1 and a parallel taxiway. [1]:4 Airport maintenance staff did not have the means to measure localizer alignment directly. The first officer then spotted a tower near the aircraft's position, and realizing that the aircraft was not aligned properly with the runway, he initiated a missed approach. It is preliminary and is based on the facts as they are known at this time. JavaScript is disabled. Following the incident, Senator Collins contacted the National Transportation Safety Board and asked them to investigate the cause of the accident. [3], The aircraft had three crew members (two pilots and a flight attendant). The United Embraer EMB-145XR commuter jet, which was operated by regional carrier CommutAir under the United Express banner, took off from Newark Liberty International Airport this morning at. Gotta wonder how many more lives need to be lost as a result of airlines looking to fill seats in the cockpit, before they realize sex and skin color are not relevant to qualifications to fly airplanes! Fourteen minutes after the accident, visibility had improved to 0.75mi (1.21km), with scattered clouds at 800ft (240m) AGL, and an overcast ceiling at 1,300ft (400m) AGL. They also ping the FO for not using his CPAP in a few places. At an Appropriations hearing in July 2019, Senator Collins raised this issue directly with then-Transportation Secretary Elaine Chao. The aircraft that arrived around 11:30 a.m. Monday also sustained unspecified damage and is remaining in place until investigators with the Federal Aviation Administration can assess the incident, Smith said. Nobody gets a pass for sex and skin color. They have no business being in these cockpits. NTSB said it will document the reconstruction using 3D techniques, and the data will be archived for historical purposes. Senator Susan Collins, the Ranking Member of the Transportation Appropriations Subcommittee, issued a statement on the release of the National Transportation Safety Boards (NTSB) final report on the missed runway incident at Presque Isle International Airport that occurred in March of 2019. Ive seen interview flights of no more than 20 minutes lead to absolutely invaluable insight. Radar track data show that the airplane was aligned right of runway 1 during both approaches. The pilot did not touch down on the first attempt. The fact that the product that airlines seek can be bought and behavior tailored shows just how fucked some hiring practices are. For those who refer to the pilot as a man, I was a passenger in this plane, and the pilot was not a man. Both pilots had missed entirely the runway, which was covered in about inch of snow, and only about 20% to 25% of it was visible. Instrument meteorological conditions (IMC) prevailed at the airfield, with low ceilings, fog, and blowing snow. United Express, landed between runway 1 and taxiway A in. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Washington, D.C. Today, U.S. Can anyone confirm the following?There was no runway involved in the accident Never landed on the runway.Captain had been fired from another airline.Captain was "difficult" (I'm trying to be nice here) to fly with. Photo: NTSB. Going into MEX after midnight during thunderstorm season would have been a single pilot operation for me.I wonder how their CPP interview will go at U Was just released yesterday or day before that he completely missed the runway. Most reports focus on a single accident, though the NTSB also produces reports . "[1]:3, About 36 hours before the accident, a CommutAir flight crew had noticed the lateral localizer error and reported it to the Boston Air Route Traffic Control Center; however, FAA procedures dictated that before a navigational aid malfunction could be officially reported, a second independent report of the error was needed, which had not been received. The first officer and two of the 28 passengers sustained minor injuries. A month later we got a PRIA request from another operator. Ive always heard of LOFT as Lack Of Fucking Talent. A local official said it was the pilot's second attempt at a landing. This accident occurred less than 2 weeks after the Atlas crash. For information on a specific accident or incident, direct your inquiries to the National Transportation Safety Board at the following address: 490 L'Enfant Plaza East, SW. You had me till you brought up sex and skin Color. I have to wonder if I could have been honest, if that copilot and passenger would be alive today. What do you think about this accident? Although she had subsequently received her EMB-145 type rating and been upgraded to captain, the NTSB said that "her repeated training problems indicated an inadequate foundation for being a captain, which CommutAir did not effectively address. The plane literally is nowhere near the actual runway, he said, adding that snowplows had to remove snow so that emergency responders could get to the plane to help the injured passengers. At least they were at the correct airport. United Express, landed between runway 1 and taxiway A in light to moderate snow at Northern Maine Regional Airport at Presque Isle (KPQI), Presque Isle, Maine. Just because you are a pilot doesn't mean you are a good pilot and belong in a high performance part 121 aircraft! By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. The failure of CommutAir pilots who had observed an issue with the ILS prior to the accident and failed to report it to the company and air traffic control. Nonetheless, they didnt call for a second go-around. The plane left Newark, New Jersey and landed in Presque Isle around 11:30 Monday morning. Last Update: Saturday, Mar 4th 2023 20:54Z. There are probably so many qualified candidates out there that would be a joy to fly with but didnt get the job because they used the wrong greeting. I work in the 135 world and I was shocked more companies dont fly their applicants either in the sim or an aircraft. Unfortunately, it was implemented way too late to catch things like Atlas and this, but thats the nature of the beast: reactive and years behind at best. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. One landing gear sheered off and wedged between fuselage & left engine.N14171 Embraer ERJ-145 pic.twitter.com/Vg07liGiDU. Left Virgin for "Paper work issues", never heard that reason before. Crew missed first approach bc something didnt look right when they went visual, then apparently just sorta yolod it on the second attempt and had some severe confirmation bias when looking at what they thought were the runway/lights. His specialist knowledge of Latin American airlines and close relationship with the likes of Aeromexico, Avianca, Volaris brings depth to our coverage in the region. Wednesday, March 6, 2019 at 8:04:00AM EST, Wednesday, March 6, 2019 at 9:15:00AM EST, Sunday, February 6, 2022 at 9:15:00PM EST, Sunday, February 6, 2022 at 9:30:00PM EST, Monday, March 11, 2019 at 12:37:00AM EDT, Saturday, March 23, 2019 at 8:50:00PM EDT, Wednesday, January 8, 2020 at 6:49:00PM EST, Sunday, February 6, 2022 at 9:20:00PM EST, Wednesday, July 13, 2022 at 12:20:00AM EDT. The flight was operated by CommutAir under the United Express brand. The NTSB has released a preliminary report from an incident in which a CommutAir flight 4933, an Embraer EMB-145XR, N14171, d.b.a. I bet the Captain's story is, its the planes fault, or the airports fault? Rule 3: We are seeing many changes in the hiring/retention environment in the airlines in the USA. By subscribing to our service you can get the news mailed right onto your desktop as soon as The Aviation Herald reports them and get permission to publish the news/articles on your website or reprint them in your newspaper (but not to relicense/redistribute them to other venues), provided you print proper reference (avherald) or provide a proper link to our article on your online publication. Lead Journalist - South America - Daniel comes to Simple Flying with many years of aviation journalism experience, having worked with Mexican publication A21, Roads & Kingdoms, El Economista and more. American that struck ground and a few others at JFK. [1]:1,78 At around 11:10EST, according to cockpit voice recorder (CVR) transcripts, the pilots were having trouble seeing the runway clearly and attempted to turn on the runway lights by cuing the radio microphone. Cassie Daigle took this photo inside the plane shortly after it stopped. Cookie Notice Preliminary Accident and Incident Notices are also available in csv format (Microsoft Excel) for downloading and use in databases or spreadsheets. She had accumulated a total of 5,655 flight hours, 1,044 of them on the Embraer EMB-145XR. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. The subscription requires, that you sign up for an account first, then subscribe from your account. Did anyone else see that they got the shaker during the first missed, and set off the EGPWS? The NTSB announced two investigators have been dispatched to Presque Isle to investigate the accident of the United Express Embraer ERJ-145XR. That woman has moved on now to a wide body. On March 4, 2019, the Embraer EMB-145XR operating the flight touched down in a snow-covered grassy area to the right of the runway at Presque Isle International Airport, injuring three aircraft occupants and substantially damaging the aircraft. The National Transportation Safety Board is an independent federal agency charged by Congress with investigating every civil aviation accident in the United States and significant accidents in other modes of transportation highway, marine, pipeline , and railroad . Rick and Cassie Daigle, owners of Too Far North Fitness in Fort Kent, were on this United flight that ended up off the runway at the airport in Presque Isle on Monday morning. How difficult he is ? After the go-around the first officer asked the captain if she saw the lights on the runway. On the second attempt, the pilot landed off the runway between runway 1 and a parallel taxiway. Photo: NTSB. On March 4, 2019, CommutAir flight 4933, a 50 passenger Embraer plane, was attempting to land on runway 1 at Presque Isle International Airport in light to moderate snow. The NTSB also determined that the first officer was fatigued, which contributed to his confirmation bias; that the captain had demonstrated "poor judgment and decision-making" in instructing the first officer to continue the approach although he did not have the runway in sight; and that the ILS localizer was out of tolerance by about 200ft (61m) to the right, a condition that had been noticed during six previous CommutAir flights, including by the accident first officer, but had not been properly reported to the FAA. PRESQUE ISLE, Maine (WAGM) - The National Transportation Safety Board issued a final report on the missed runway incident at the Presque Isle International Airport that happened in 2019. If you search the database for accidents in Presque Isle, Maine there is no mention of flight 4933. Release the hooks of the hook plate and remove it. One pilot and three passengers were injured, and the aircraft was substantially damaged. [1]:5 Investigators found that the localizer antenna was surrounded by 25ft (0.611.52m) of snow; after confirming the reported localizer misalignment, the snow was cleared, and this caused correct localizer alignment to be restored. Safety Recommendation Report . There are pilots making it into airline cockpits that have had training failures at other airlines and they have been able to hide them from future employers. That final report has been out for months. CA had a checkered (failure) history. A Commutair Embraer ERJ-145 on behalf of United, registration N14171 performing flight CS-4933/UA-4933 from Newark,NJ to Presque Isle,ME (USA) with Jul 8, 2022 . A review of NBA playoff history indicated that the only occurrence of an NBA playoff game 6 where Golden State was leading Memphis at halftime 58-49 was on May 15, 2015". Of the 31 passengers and crew onboard, two passengers and 1 crewmember received minor injuries. 553 .1972 12 8, N9031U (City of Lincoln): 2 737-222 : 1 . . Commutair. Operating Certificate(s) Held: Flag carrier (121), Operator Does Business As: United Express. Landing under that set of circumstances is a fools errand. On the second approach when the FO stated he couldn't see the runway at a hundred feet, she should have called for a go around and did not. 34 votes, 28 comments. On Mar 5th 2019 the FAA reported: "Commutair Flight 4933 Embraer E45X landed in the grass area beside the runway due to unknown circumstances." The occurrence was rated an accident. Today, U.S. It was the copilot's first day on the job. NTSB/AAR-17-01 - Aircraft Accident Report: Loss of Control at Takeoff Air Methods Corporation Airbus Helicopters AS350 B3e, N390LG ; Frisco, CO; July 3, 2015. This community is for discussion among pilots, students, instructors and aviation The flight was operated by CommutAir under the United Express brand. By subscribing to our service you can get the news mailed right onto your desktop as soon as The Aviation Herald reports them and get permission to publish the news/articles on your website or reprint them in your newspaper (but not to relicense/redistribute them to other venues), provided you print proper reference (avherald) or provide a proper link to our article on your online publication. 3.4. So that was a positive. We tell them Our goal here is to overwhelm you to see how you handle it I watched one applicant put us in a 30 degree nose down tuning a radio. I did a bit of work in the training department at my regional. CommutAir Flight 4933 (operating as United Express Flight 4933) was a domestic regional flight operating from Newark, New Jersey, to Presque Isle, Maine, in the United States. The service runs two outbound and inbound flights per day on weekdays and one outbound and one inbound flight per day on weekends. The aircraft touched down at 11:29EST and came to rest in a snow-covered grassy area between the runway and a parallel taxiway. Archived post. The accident closed the airport Monday, and it is not known immediately when outgoing and incoming flights will resume, she said. She failed her EMB-145 checkride during her initial attempt and was later placed under "increased scrutiny" by CommutAir twice. What a douche. I'm personally still waiting to see what happened to the American that struck ground and a few others at JFK. We smelled some burning, but nothing was on fire. The airplane was substantially damaged. The airplane was substantially damaged. Pilots I know firsthand, who had massive training and proficiency issues, are now working for major carrierssome in heavy jets, others in the NB left seat. Multiple failures here. United Express, landed between runway 1 and taxiway A in light to moderate snow at Northern Maine Regional Airport at Presque Isle (KPQI), Presque Isle, Maine. Reports provide details about the accident, analysis of the factual data, conclusions and the probable cause of the accident, and the related safety recommendations. [1]:34, The NTSB commented on the captain's flight training record. Flight Conducted Under: Part 121: Air Carrier - Scheduled. There were 28 passengers and three crew members on board. commutair 4933 ntsb report. Due to internet piracy we needed to close access to proxies. After reaching the decision altitude, the captain said she had seen the runway in front of the aircraft. ^^^ You nailed it. Rick and Cassie Daigle, owners of Too Far North Fitness in Fort Kent, were on the flight returning from Columbus, Ohio, where Cassie Daigle was competing in a kettlebell event at the Arnold Sports Expo. A preliminary report Thursday [March 21] indicates the 50-seat Embraer 145 approached to the right of the runway on an aborted first landing attempt and then again when it touched down March . Rick Daigle said from the airport via an interview using Facebook messenger that passengers realized there was a problem even before the plane hit the runway. Hopefully these things wont slip through the cracks anymore. Preventing Windshield Arcing, Smoke, and Fire on Bombardier DHC-8 Airplanes . We were just in shock.. Remove the mounting nuts and the mounting bolts. The accident took place on a snowy day in Presque Isle, Maine. She returned in May 2016. The scene inside the airplane as it landed was one of chaos with people screaming and seats coming apart, Daigle said. The pilot did not touch down on the first attempt. Let us know in the comments below. On March 4, 2019, CommutAir flight 4933, operating the service for United Airlines onboard an Embraer EMB145XR, registration N14171, was attempting to land on runway 1 at Presque Isle International Airport (PQI) when it impacted terrain to the right of the runway. The United flights for the Newark-Presque Isle service are operated by CommuteAir, which is partly owned by United. Theyre famous here too! From June 2007 to October 2008, the aircraft was operating for Delta Connection before operating once again for Continental Express until October 2010 when it commenced operations for United Express. The Daigles were still at the airport as of 2 p.m. after having been interviewed by emergency medical technicians and a United representative, Daigle said. In August 2016, the aircraft was transferred to CommutAir. Privacy Policy. The initial part of the flight was uneventful. Contributing to the accident were: Additionally, the report states that FAA provides guidance to airports for developing a snow and ice control plan. "Landed and slid to the right of the runway" and "landed on Runway 1 and then veered off" were respective initial statements from CommutAir and the FAA, both of which contradict the findings. Presque Isle International Airport will be closed until further notice as representatives of the Federal Aviation Administration investigate, Smith said. Le 23 fvrier 2019, un Boeing 767 cargo effectuant le vol Atlas Air 3591 pour le compte d'Amazon Air, entre l'aroport international de Miami, en Floride, et l'aroport intercontinental George-Bush de Houston, au Texas, s'crase Trinity Bay, prs de la ville d'Anahuac, lors de son approche sur Houston.Les deux membres d'quipage et le seul passager prsent bord meurent dans l . The industry is hurting for flight deck crew members. The EMB145XR subsequently impacted the snow-covered grassy area between runway 1 and a parallel taxiway. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. Commutair 4933 Roger Roger May 22, 2022 1 2 3 4 Next Roger Roger Paid to sleep, fly for fun May 22, 2022 #1 Couldn't find the original threads, but the docket is open NTSB Docket - Docket Management System data.ntsb.gov Minuteman "Dongola" May 22, 2022 #2 Oh yeah . But could have also been Line Oriented Flight Training. I never had an issue, but she could be very abrasive, especially toward FAs. He had not gone to sleep until around 1:00 EST the night before the accident due to flight and shuttle delays during the preceding workday, and he had only slept until 6:00 EST, about five hours, whereas he usually slept for about eight hours. Couldnt find the original threads, but the docket is open. The flight was operated by CommutAir under the United Express brand. The airplane touched down before he could determine what he was seeing. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. The NTSB's conclusion led to other questions namely whether the plane was too old and worn out. Press J to jump to the feed. The multiple interview references to the CA's training history and reputation are also quite interesting. I understand that there could be some malicious company managers that could abuse this, but there has to be a way to tell hiring managers that a pilot is a danger. Accident Reports are one of the main products of an NTSB investigation. It sounds like visual illusions, problems with the localizer in the snow, and sticking to SOP seem to be some of the biggest factors here. Read recent air safety reports, incidents and news about Commutair. The preliminary report on the accident of United Flight 4933 says that on March 4th at 11:43 am United Express landed between runway 1 and the taxiway in light to moderate snow at the Northern Maine Regional Airport in Presque Isle. Many were hired right after failures. At 11:01EST, Boston Air Route Traffic Control Center cleared the aircraft to land on runway 1 at Presque Isle, and the pilots initiated an instrument landing system (ILS) approach. PRIA is worthless when airlines just let it slide with a good Cage Consulting spit shine. Do you want to learn about the safety record of Commutair? However, none of the pilots reported the issues. As I said, drama might as well have been her middle name. And before anyone starts screaming discrimination and racism, go F off, I know pilots of every sex, color and creed that are outstanding aviators, AND I know white pilots that I wouldn't trust as far as I could throw them! Fleet type match . ago I did a bit of work in the training department at my regional. We climbed out on a ladder with the help of local firefighters, he said. On March 4, 2019, a CommutAir flight suffered a runway excursion at Presque Isle International Airport. Radar track data show that the airplane was aligned right of runway 1 during both approaches.
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